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grover norquist couldn't get elected to anything, dog catcher even. yet he's out there intimidating all these folks that some of whom really want to do the right thing and now is the time when they have to do the right thing, when they have to be patriots and that's what this is about. are you going to put the interests of your country and your constituents above special interests that grover norquist has and the threat that he holds of pouring millions of dollars into your campaign? if that's the only way you're going to get re-elected, then darn it, it's not worth it, and i think a lot of republicans are coming to that conclusion. >> there are some encouraging signs. here is democratic senator dick durbin today speaking about the possibility of a deal on the fiscal cliff. take a listen. >> pick up any of the hill newspapers and look for the full-page ads. basically saying to the left, keep your hands off the entitlements and to the right, keep your hands off of taxes. well, if both sides heed those warnings, nothing will happen. >> congressman, he's
grover norquist couldn't get elected to anything, dog catcher even. yet he's out there intimidating all these folks that some of whom really want to do the right thing and now is the time when they have to do the right thing, when they have to be patriots and that's what this is about. are you going to put the interests of your country and your constituents above special interests that grover norquist has and the threat that he holds of pouring millions of dollars into your campaign? if that's...
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. >> grover norquist. >> you speak of grover norquist. >> he's an entertaining warrior. >> pledge mentality is really on the run right now. >> speaker boehner clearly wants a deal. >> he can't have one arm tied behind his back. >> the top 1%, only 42% of the wealth. >> 48.5 million people lived below the poverty level. >> we should ask the wealthy to start paying their fair share. >> the american sense of fairness, no one should pay more than 25%. >> today's republican party has imploded. >> they are in denial. >> they are looking for someone to blame. >> grover is no longer speaking for the party. >> they may not be willing to just die on this hill anymore. >>> good evening. i'm ezra cline in for lawrence o'donnell. the craziest thing is happening in washington right now. you've probably heard of the fiscal cliff or as lawrence likes to call it, the fiscal curve or as my friend calls t the austerity bomb. whatever you would like to call it, it does not look like it's going to happen. it doesn't just look like we're going to avoid a crisis. at this moment today, and this can change, it look
. >> grover norquist. >> you speak of grover norquist. >> he's an entertaining warrior. >> pledge mentality is really on the run right now. >> speaker boehner clearly wants a deal. >> he can't have one arm tied behind his back. >> the top 1%, only 42% of the wealth. >> 48.5 million people lived below the poverty level. >> we should ask the wealthy to start paying their fair share. >> the american sense of fairness, no one should pay...
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it's not just grover norquist, it's the club for growth and other entities that do that. understand what direction these people leading the party in. they concede the republican party is a fundamental congressional and oppositional force. the whole point of the pledge is to say someone else is acting, and you are laying down in advance how you react. there's no plan you're going to act or leading. if the republican party is a presidential party again and it's lost the majority of the vote in five of the six past presidential elections, it has to think in an entirely different way to make commitments to different groups of voters. >> what about on cuts, james is this this is an interesting comment. dick durbin has been on the show and he's so rational and open to compromise. he was open to closing loopholes and not raising rates. he's a rational man, and he said yesterday that democrats shouldn't be talking about cutting social security. here he is. >> social security does not add one penny to our debt. it's a separate funded operation. medicare is another story. only 12 y
it's not just grover norquist, it's the club for growth and other entities that do that. understand what direction these people leading the party in. they concede the republican party is a fundamental congressional and oppositional force. the whole point of the pledge is to say someone else is acting, and you are laying down in advance how you react. there's no plan you're going to act or leading. if the republican party is a presidential party again and it's lost the majority of the vote in...
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grover norquist's tax pledge could be history. and all eyes are now focusing on house republicans as talks to avoid going over that so-called fiscal cliff are picking up steam. joining me now, mark halperin, senior political analyst for "time" and msnbc and ruth marcus, columnist and editorial writer for the "washington post." to you, mark, what is your read about what we've been hearing the last couple of days about grover norquist, the pledge and how much running room the speaker does have to b negotiating a deal. >> i did a spit take with my fruity pebbles watching "morning joe" because eric cantor's tone was unlike anything i've ever heard. his office is saying oh, no, he's against raising marginal rates, but it's clear that in the scheme of things, the biggest piece is does john boehner have enough running room to strike a deal involving some new revenue. i still am of the belief that the vote in the house, which will be a cliff hanger no matter what happens amongst the leaders in the white house, it will be a tough vote. i t
grover norquist's tax pledge could be history. and all eyes are now focusing on house republicans as talks to avoid going over that so-called fiscal cliff are picking up steam. joining me now, mark halperin, senior political analyst for "time" and msnbc and ruth marcus, columnist and editorial writer for the "washington post." to you, mark, what is your read about what we've been hearing the last couple of days about grover norquist, the pledge and how much running room the...
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norquist might say, or maybe it means the gig is up, grover. not so fast. see, mr. norquist, a powerful lobbyist, has long had a lock on nearly every republican in congress. he's the guy who keeps reminding us that george h.w. bush lost the election after violating his read my lips no new taxes pledge. >> if you want to go to your voters and say, i promised you this, and i'm breaking my promise, you can have that conversation with them. but you don't have an argument with me. you've made a commitment to your voters. >> still, democrats are heartened by the new grover is over mini movement. although they shouldn't do the happy dance just yet, because republicans will want payback, as in medicare, medicaid and social security. so for all of you who want tax hikes on the wealthy, what are you willing to give up in return on social security, raising the retirement age to 70, on medicare, a total revamp, as in instead of the government paying your medicare bills, you pay them with help from the government. you tell me. "talkback" question for you, w
norquist might say, or maybe it means the gig is up, grover. not so fast. see, mr. norquist, a powerful lobbyist, has long had a lock on nearly every republican in congress. he's the guy who keeps reminding us that george h.w. bush lost the election after violating his read my lips no new taxes pledge. >> if you want to go to your voters and say, i promised you this, and i'm breaking my promise, you can have that conversation with them. but you don't have an argument with me. you've made...
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. >> anti-tax crusader, grover norquist attacking the wives of republican congressman. >> i hope his wife understands that commitments last a little longer than two years. >> tonight, lee saunders on the grassroots blast to pass the middle class tax cuts. >> small business owner, lou krantz, on his meeting with the president. congressman, steve israel, on the democratic momentum on the fiscal cliff. plus. >> karen finney on the new bizarre attack on ambassador, susan rice. >> all of the sudden, we are the bell of the ball. we are here to say, it's time to start to dance. >>> latino voters help put president obama over the top. now, the hispanic caucus says they want action. representative luis gutierrez joins me tonight. >>> good to have you with us. thanks for watching. president obama is selling his economic agenda and using all the right tools. the president was surrounded today by middle class taxpayers at the white house as he pushed for an extension of the tax cuts for income below $250,000. he quas quick to highlight the break in the ranks with the republicans. >> i am glad to
. >> anti-tax crusader, grover norquist attacking the wives of republican congressman. >> i hope his wife understands that commitments last a little longer than two years. >> tonight, lee saunders on the grassroots blast to pass the middle class tax cuts. >> small business owner, lou krantz, on his meeting with the president. congressman, steve israel, on the democratic momentum on the fiscal cliff. plus. >> karen finney on the new bizarre attack on ambassador,...
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let's listen to what grover norquist had to say. [video clip] >> the commitment he made to the people of georgia was not to me. it was a commitment to the people of georgia that he would go to washington to reduce government spending and to reform government and not raise taxes. if he wants to change his mind and become a tax increaser so we don't have to reform government, need to have that conversation with the people of georgia. he talks about my plan to increase debt, the only plan i think i supported is the paul ryan deal, which reduces the deficit, pays down the debt, does not raise taxes, and it is a written plan that senator chambliss actually voted for. so i think they caught him on a tv station and he said something scraps that did not make sense. >> have you thought about changing the pledged in any way? >> again, i cannot change the pledge, because t it is,o me. it is not like people are promising this to me. >> it was your group. everybody associates the pledge with new. but that is very kind of them. republicans and de
let's listen to what grover norquist had to say. [video clip] >> the commitment he made to the people of georgia was not to me. it was a commitment to the people of georgia that he would go to washington to reduce government spending and to reform government and not raise taxes. if he wants to change his mind and become a tax increaser so we don't have to reform government, need to have that conversation with the people of georgia. he talks about my plan to increase debt, the only plan i...
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their shift in position has grover norquist vowing to help unseat any republican who breaks his taxpayer protection pledge. the question tonight is whether this is a larger trend or whether republicans are just testing the waters and two men who know about testing the waters, politicking and actually meaning what you say join me now. david frum and james carville, you have been on every side of this. let me start with you though david. republicans talking about raising revenue by closing loopholes. as opposes to raising tax rates. you can get a heck of a lot of revenue that way. is this smart for them r or not? >> republicans are going to be yielding ground, but they have to avoid seemingly yielding ground underressure. president has a strong hand. they have to keep their party together. frankly, i think loopholes are the wrong place to -- so-called loop homes, meaning deductions for home mortgage, are the wrong place to look for new revenue. the place is look is with different kinds of tax sources. not by making it more difficult for people to work save and invest. >> wow, adding even m
their shift in position has grover norquist vowing to help unseat any republican who breaks his taxpayer protection pledge. the question tonight is whether this is a larger trend or whether republicans are just testing the waters and two men who know about testing the waters, politicking and actually meaning what you say join me now. david frum and james carville, you have been on every side of this. let me start with you though david. republicans talking about raising revenue by closing...
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doesn't that change the playing field in a way that grover norquist must not be happy with? >> well, i think too much emphasis, eliot is put on grover. i think people forget the fact that republicans are just genetically against raising taxes. i think grover's pledge and grover's efforts may maybe reflect the reality of the republican viewpoint. the majority of republicans who still feel raising taxes is detrimental, especially if we're trying to get the economy going. this has become the grover issue because that is convenient and interesting. and he's an interesting character. but the fact is republicans i think at their core and conservatives certainly are against it. i think the speaker moves with very -- he's in a tough position. on the one hand, he seems to be wanting to make a deal but on the other hand they have to remember there are primaries coming up in a couple of years and the economy may very well turn things around begin. we've been living in a pendulous situation where things go backward and forward. patience probably on the part of the republicans is probabl
doesn't that change the playing field in a way that grover norquist must not be happy with? >> well, i think too much emphasis, eliot is put on grover. i think people forget the fact that republicans are just genetically against raising taxes. i think grover's pledge and grover's efforts may maybe reflect the reality of the republican viewpoint. the majority of republicans who still feel raising taxes is detrimental, especially if we're trying to get the economy going. this has become the...
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connell: grover norquist. here is what he said this morning. >> supposed an investor that you admire and trust comes to you saying this is a good idea i think you should think about it. it all depends on what my tax rate will be on the game that we will make. only in grover's imagination does such a response exist. it is quite another when republicans talk like this. >> i am not obligated on the pledge. the only thing i am honoring is the oath that i take when i am sworn in this january. >> the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid the coming brief. republicans should put revenue on the table. >> i would have signed -- i will not attack japan today. the world has changed. the economic situation is different. connell: the man behind this pledge, it sounds like, at least the storyline is, that you are losing your considerable influence within the republican party. >> well, first of all, our friend warren buffett a to get a confident ghostwriter. it is counterfactual and it is counter historic
connell: grover norquist. here is what he said this morning. >> supposed an investor that you admire and trust comes to you saying this is a good idea i think you should think about it. it all depends on what my tax rate will be on the game that we will make. only in grover's imagination does such a response exist. it is quite another when republicans talk like this. >> i am not obligated on the pledge. the only thing i am honoring is the oath that i take when i am sworn in this...
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let's talk about grover norquist. no new taxes pledge. you said earlier in your career, you told cbs morning news earlier today and i'm quoting now, you said you're not obligated on the pledge adding the only thing that i'm honoring is the oath that i take when i'm sworn in this january. so what exactly did you mean by that? did you suggest, did you mean that under certain circumstances you'd be ready to accept an increase in tax rates for the wealthy? >> well, i was just elected, as you know, re-elected, and our campaign materials during the campaign spelled out that the only pledge i would be honoring would be the pledge of the oath of office that you make when you're sworn in. that's what my comments meant. look, i think republicans have shown a willingness to look at revenues as long as we have entitlement reform. those are the two ends of the spectrum, wolf. it appears that speaker boehner has been shown flexibility on revenues and the president on sbimgtsmentes. the point of my op-ed this morning in the "washington post," is look, i
let's talk about grover norquist. no new taxes pledge. you said earlier in your career, you told cbs morning news earlier today and i'm quoting now, you said you're not obligated on the pledge adding the only thing that i'm honoring is the oath that i take when i'm sworn in this january. so what exactly did you mean by that? did you suggest, did you mean that under certain circumstances you'd be ready to accept an increase in tax rates for the wealthy? >> well, i was just elected, as you...
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we'll talk to grover norquist. where this is heading. >>> my one on one interview with the legendary tony bennett. he's not slowing down after six decades in show business. his new documentary, new album and his new memoir. plus his real hobby which is painting. we're back in a moment. and with photo stream, you can share all the photos you want, with just the people you want. it's as easy as pie. mmmm..pie. i have a cold, and i took nyquil, but i'm still "stubbed" up. [ male announcer ] truth is, nyquil doesn't unstuff your nose. what? [ male announcer ] it doesn't have a decongestant. no way. [ male announcer ] sorry. alka-seltzer plus fights your worst cold symptoms plus has a fast acting decongestant to relieve your stuffy nose. [ sighs ] thanks! [ male announcer ] you're welcome. that's the cold truth! [ male announcer ] alka-seltzer plus. ♪ oh what a relief it is! ♪ [ male announcer ] to learn more about the cold truth and save $1 visit alka-seltzer on facebook. [ male announcer ] to learn more about the
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one senator is defending grover norquist's anti-tax stance. that's senator rand paul. he'll join us live in a few minutes. >>> even black friday couldn't save retailers from superstorm sandy. sales for november taking a hit in the wake of that storm. what does it mean, though, for the holiday shopping season? we'll tell you how to play it. >>> a wade of companies issuing special dividends ahead of the fiscal cliff. sounds like a plus for the company. we'll tell you why it could be more of a warning sign. >>> and how senate majority leader harry reid's home state of nevada could get hit hard if congress cannot make a deal on the fiscal cliff. >>> we're going to start with the cme group. rick santelli, the santelli exchange. i'm told a little poetry. i just hope it's not frost saying some say the world will end in fire, some saying ice. >> it's not going to be fire and ice. it is going to be some fire and brimstone! how's that? you know, i liked warren buffett's op-ed the other day in the "time"s. a minimum tax for the wealthy. we're going to get to a couple quotes in th
one senator is defending grover norquist's anti-tax stance. that's senator rand paul. he'll join us live in a few minutes. >>> even black friday couldn't save retailers from superstorm sandy. sales for november taking a hit in the wake of that storm. what does it mean, though, for the holiday shopping season? we'll tell you how to play it. >>> a wade of companies issuing special dividends ahead of the fiscal cliff. sounds like a plus for the company. we'll tell you why it...
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, president of america's for tax reform, grover norquist. they do not appear to like your pledge. >>guest: well, some of the people who are being dragged out are retreads. there is nothing new about some of the senators who is said they would be open to tax hikes. remember the gang of six, three of the people that you mentioned, spent eight months sitting in a room with democrats pretending to negotiate we tax increases in return for entitlement reform and after a while even coburn had to walk out of the room and admit that they were being offered nothing but tax increases. the president's budget is nothing but tax increases. the president's negotiatorring position is nothing but tax increases and harry reid would some of the senators may want to focus their attention on has announced there is no entitlement reform, so to argue that the taxpayers should take the brunt of this battle and they should not defend taxpayers but the spending interests in washington, strikes me as odd. the effort by some to get entitlement reform, the democrats hav
, president of america's for tax reform, grover norquist. they do not appear to like your pledge. >>guest: well, some of the people who are being dragged out are retreads. there is nothing new about some of the senators who is said they would be open to tax hikes. remember the gang of six, three of the people that you mentioned, spent eight months sitting in a room with democrats pretending to negotiate we tax increases in return for entitlement reform and after a while even coburn had to...
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a number of republicans are finally putting limits on their no tax pledge and telling grover norquist to get lost. but remember, there's only one of those people in the house of representatives. >>> keeping hope and change alive. president obama's aides are hoping to keep the campaign going and use their new leverage at the polls to win the fight for higher taxes against the wealthy. >>> this is "hardball," the place for politics. >>> get ready for some more partisan agendas in the state governments across the country. that's because come january at least 37 states will be under single party control. 37 of them. with one party holding both houses of state legislatures and the governorship. and that's the largest number of states under single party control in 60 years. 24 of those 37 states will be controlled by republicans and 13 under democratic control. we'll be right back. >>> welcome back to politics and "hardball." abortion politics, particularly anti-abortion politics, has been a guiding principle of republican politics for decades. yesterday senator john mccain stepped back fro
a number of republicans are finally putting limits on their no tax pledge and telling grover norquist to get lost. but remember, there's only one of those people in the house of representatives. >>> keeping hope and change alive. president obama's aides are hoping to keep the campaign going and use their new leverage at the polls to win the fight for higher taxes against the wealthy. >>> this is "hardball," the place for politics. >>> get ready for some more...
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grover "no nothing" norquist. >> andrea: we have to go. >> bob: grover is an idiot. >> andrea: coming up, did you know that there was once a secret plan to bomb the moon? true story. we have it here. bob has the story up next. ♪ ♪ i had enough of feeling embarrassed about my skin. [ designer ] enough of just covering up my moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. i decided enough is enough. ♪ [ spa lady ] i started enbrel. it's clinically proven to provide clearer skin. [ rv guy ] enbrel may not work for everyone -- and may not clear you completely, but for many, it gets skin clearer fast, within 2 months, and keeps it clearer up to 9 months. [ male announcer ] because enbrel®, etanercept, suppresses your immune system, it may lower your ability to fight infections. serious, sometimes fatal, events including infections, tuberculosis, lymphoma, other cancers, and nervous system and blood disorders have occurred. before starting enbrel, your doctor should test you for tuberculosis and discuss whether you've been to a region where certain fungal infections are common. don't start enbr
grover "no nothing" norquist. >> andrea: we have to go. >> bob: grover is an idiot. >> andrea: coming up, did you know that there was once a secret plan to bomb the moon? true story. we have it here. bob has the story up next. ♪ ♪ i had enough of feeling embarrassed about my skin. [ designer ] enough of just covering up my moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. i decided enough is enough. ♪ [ spa lady ] i started enbrel. it's clinically proven to provide clearer...
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we will hear from grover norquist at kennecott -- at 10:00 a.m. eastern here on c- span. >> 16 or 17 basis, we have military-run schools, and the average cost educate a child per year is $50,000, almost four times with the rest of public education costs. -- what the rest of public education costs. we could take the money we're spending today, and pay every public school system $14,000 per child and save billions of dollars per year with the same or better outcomes. host: this weekend you can talk with tom coburn -- >> this weekend to can talk to tom coburn on tv "in debpth." join the conversation with your calls, tweets an e-mail to comments -- and e-mail to comments. >> "washington journal" continues. host: we are kicking off our series today looking but the fiscal cliff negotiations, looking specifically at the bush era income tax cuts that were passed in 2001, 2003, and again in 2010 under this administration. joining me is the zachary goldfarb of "the washington post." when did the tax cuts take effect, and why? >> the initially took effect --
we will hear from grover norquist at kennecott -- at 10:00 a.m. eastern here on c- span. >> 16 or 17 basis, we have military-run schools, and the average cost educate a child per year is $50,000, almost four times with the rest of public education costs. -- what the rest of public education costs. we could take the money we're spending today, and pay every public school system $14,000 per child and save billions of dollars per year with the same or better outcomes. host: this weekend you...
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this is silly and grover norquist is engaging and they play their parts in their farce. the choice that has to be made in our current political system, the choice is the politicians will be honest to acknowledge the government cannot continue to grow, it cannot maintain its current size or meet its obligations. but if we include the state and county and local governments of unfunded liabilities just to the public employees. melissa: we just had an election. people do not believe that. lou: i do not understand. the election was not about unfunded liabilities. melissa: fundamentally about the size of government and people voted bigger. lou: i must have missed that. the republican party has grown government and assume advisers to government -- governor romney were the same as president bush. melissa: is seen as the boat to four obama was bigger government. lou: and the vote for mitt romney? i am saying the intellectual integrity of the moment acknowledging it is the size of government if we can't sustain them and the social safety net programs in perpetuity when we're trill
this is silly and grover norquist is engaging and they play their parts in their farce. the choice that has to be made in our current political system, the choice is the politicians will be honest to acknowledge the government cannot continue to grow, it cannot maintain its current size or meet its obligations. but if we include the state and county and local governments of unfunded liabilities just to the public employees. melissa: we just had an election. people do not believe that. lou: i do...
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a growing number of republicans are slowly backing away from grover norquist's anti-tax pledge. saying they're open to letting revenues rise if democrats do their part in the budget talks. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid becoming greece, and republicans should put revenue on the table. i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> a pledge you signed 20 years ago, 18 years ago is for that congress. for instance, if i were in
a growing number of republicans are slowly backing away from grover norquist's anti-tax pledge. saying they're open to letting revenues rise if democrats do their part in the budget talks. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid becoming greece, and republicans should put revenue on the table. i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> a pledge...
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it has nothing to do with grover norquist. it has to do with our word. remember, with this program t.a.g. is takes away our freedom, because good institutions that need to draw business from business don't need to do that anymore. if there's a government guarantee, it lowers the liberty and the choices for all. back to you, carl. >> all right. rick, something to think about. talk to you in a few moments. can't wait for sheila bair with you in a few minutes. we're heading to ohio's 8th district, home of john boehner. do his constituents think they're being faithfully represented. is he rising above as some say? why men might be the new women when it comes to retail. we have the controversial piece when "squawk on the street" comes back. n you take a closer . ...at the best schools in the world... ...you see they all have something very interesting in common. they have teachers... ...with a deeper knowledge of their subjects. as a result, their students achieve at a higher level. let's develop more stars in education. let's invest in our teachers... ...so
it has nothing to do with grover norquist. it has to do with our word. remember, with this program t.a.g. is takes away our freedom, because good institutions that need to draw business from business don't need to do that anymore. if there's a government guarantee, it lowers the liberty and the choices for all. back to you, carl. >> all right. rick, something to think about. talk to you in a few moments. can't wait for sheila bair with you in a few minutes. we're heading to ohio's 8th...
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that's 170 guys breaking grover norquist's pledge. and that could be a primary suicide mission, joe. >> it could be. >> unless they figure out how to change -- that's why boehner's so desperately trying to come up with a way of saying look, we'll get you the same amount of revenue. we'll find it another way. just don't make us raise tax rates because he doesn't have the votes for that. he doesn't know how to get those votes. >> explain that. he can get it, perhaps, say by closing the loopholes? >> because he can make a more populist argument. you don't want these -- they're getting away with -- they're getting away with sort of chicanery inside the tax code. we're going to get rid of that. >> how about raising the capital gains tax 5%? >> well, i think that's -- that's something, if republicans are serious about that, i have a feeling the white house would be open to that. the white house -- you know, it's funny. both of them have drawn true lines in the sand in this that we haven't paid a lot of attention to. the white house said the
that's 170 guys breaking grover norquist's pledge. and that could be a primary suicide mission, joe. >> it could be. >> unless they figure out how to change -- that's why boehner's so desperately trying to come up with a way of saying look, we'll get you the same amount of revenue. we'll find it another way. just don't make us raise tax rates because he doesn't have the votes for that. he doesn't know how to get those votes. >> explain that. he can get it, perhaps, say by...
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grover "no nothing" norquist. >> andrea: we have to go. >> bob: grover is an idiot. >> andrea: coming up, did you know that there was once a secret plan to bomb the moon? true story. we have it here. bob has the story up next. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] we all make bad decisions. like say, gas station sushi. cheap is good. and sushi, good. but cheap sushi, not so good. it's like that super-low rate on not enough car insurance. pretty sketchy. ♪ and then there are the good decisions. like esurance. their coverage counselor tool helps you choose the right coverage for you at a great price. [ stomach growls ] without feeling queasy. that's insurance for the modern world. esurance. now backed by allstate. click or call. ♪ ♪ >> bob: we were in a race with russians to get to the man on the moon. but if the russians got close, we'd nuke it. the moon. >> andrea: when men were men. >> bob: it's amazing, a story, the project was called the -- that is the 475-pound woman. what was that project -- 81-19. we couldn't get a nuclear weapon up there. we could get atomic bomb up there. do you th
grover "no nothing" norquist. >> andrea: we have to go. >> bob: grover is an idiot. >> andrea: coming up, did you know that there was once a secret plan to bomb the moon? true story. we have it here. bob has the story up next. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] we all make bad decisions. like say, gas station sushi. cheap is good. and sushi, good. but cheap sushi, not so good. it's like that super-low rate on not enough car insurance. pretty sketchy. ♪ and then there are...
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we are joined by grover norquist , president of americans for tax reform. i have to ask you. how does it feel to be a bully of lawmakers? i like this part especially, anti-tax sell at. the logical extremists. to find yourself is really being pointed that as the problem, not part of the solution here suddenly. how do you feel that? >> well, look. harry reid had a plan. he and obama and nancy pelosi were going to spend a great deal of money, and then they were going to turn to the republicans and say, okay. why don't you be responsible and raise taxes, put your finger prints on a tax increase to pay for our bigger government. republicans said no. harry reid has had a hissy fit for four years now, i'm happy the republicans would not raise taxes to pay for is bigger government. the problem is the american people don't want their taxes raised. lou: what i asked was how you feel? >> i am pleased as punch. harry reid, at having a hissy fit at me, he's really mad at the american people for not wanting to raise taxes. he personalizes it with me. lou: what about those folks like senato
we are joined by grover norquist , president of americans for tax reform. i have to ask you. how does it feel to be a bully of lawmakers? i like this part especially, anti-tax sell at. the logical extremists. to find yourself is really being pointed that as the problem, not part of the solution here suddenly. how do you feel that? >> well, look. harry reid had a plan. he and obama and nancy pelosi were going to spend a great deal of money, and then they were going to turn to the...
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who is grover norquist, talk to me about this pledge. it is not just about raising taxes, is it not? >> it is not just about raising taxes. this is a pledge that is spearheaded by activist grover norquist, a popular figure on the right and he basically is -- most members but not all members of congress on the republican side to sign this pledge which basically says they're not going to increase tax rates and also if they close deductions they would use that money to lower taxes in another area. after seeing republicans break, where they're saying, listen, we're willing to close tax loopholes to reduce the deficit, now we haven't yet seen that from congressional republican leaders, but we obviously are seeing it from prominent republicans you showed including senator graham and senator bob corker. >> question about two of those gentlemen here in a moment. cnn this morning talked to grover norquist, incumbents dare to break this pledge, dare to vote to raise taxes. the question was will he do it again? here's norquist. >> we would certainl
who is grover norquist, talk to me about this pledge. it is not just about raising taxes, is it not? >> it is not just about raising taxes. this is a pledge that is spearheaded by activist grover norquist, a popular figure on the right and he basically is -- most members but not all members of congress on the republican side to sign this pledge which basically says they're not going to increase tax rates and also if they close deductions they would use that money to lower taxes in another...
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. >> we've seen republicans break with grover norquist and put revenues on the table. on the other side of that, here's what a few democrats are saying about entitlements. >> i think people are dreaming if they think we're going to get a deal on entitlements in three weeks. that's just not going to happen. and i think it would be irresponsible to try to come up with any approach to entitlement reform in such a compressed period of time. >> yes or no, do you support raising the retirement age? >> no, i do not support raising the retirement age. >> is that likely to be a bigger sticking point than revenue? or do we not know yet? >> well, i think that's the critical question facing democrats here. are they going to cave and allow, you know, the new deal and the great society programs to be a part of this supposed grand bargain? or are they not? as of now, they are not part of the deal. this is about defense cuts, discretionary spending, and it's about tax cuts. only if the democrats agree to bring in the programs for the elderly and poor and middle class would they become
. >> we've seen republicans break with grover norquist and put revenues on the table. on the other side of that, here's what a few democrats are saying about entitlements. >> i think people are dreaming if they think we're going to get a deal on entitlements in three weeks. that's just not going to happen. and i think it would be irresponsible to try to come up with any approach to entitlement reform in such a compressed period of time. >> yes or no, do you support raising the...
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this famous pledge sponsored by grover norquist. conservative to say the least seemed to throw in the towel, providing maybe some cover for some republicans here. let me read to you what they said. if taxes are going up anyway because the bush tax rates expire and republicans can stop them from going up as much as they otherwise would, then pledge-takers deserve some credit for that. mr. norquist says it violates his pledge to eliminate deductions without lowering rates but at the current economic and political moment it is also a service if republicans prevent tax rates from going up. providing some cover there. have republicans effectively caved on the idea of raising revenue? >> i don't think republicans have caved on anything related to taxes. we do have to remember that it is possible to bring in more revenue without raising taxes. any time you stimulate economic growth that's going to bring in more revenue. i want more revenue because i want more economic growth. that's the best way to bring in more revenue, to fund government
this famous pledge sponsored by grover norquist. conservative to say the least seemed to throw in the towel, providing maybe some cover for some republicans here. let me read to you what they said. if taxes are going up anyway because the bush tax rates expire and republicans can stop them from going up as much as they otherwise would, then pledge-takers deserve some credit for that. mr. norquist says it violates his pledge to eliminate deductions without lowering rates but at the current...
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as republicans, you need the kind of cover to protect you from grover norquist. to do what we thinks needs to be done on revenues. the centrist approach has made this country prosperous for hundreds of years and that's the approach we should take. >> are you willing to pay slightly higher taxes to get a year done? >> i would gladly pay higher taxes to get a deal done. >> really. >> yeah, i would. listen, we have hundreds of thousands of trushcks on the ros all the time. we use the roads, we use airports, we need the tsa and the infrastructure to keep the economy moving. i consider it an investment in the things we need do business, the same way i invest if my country every year. one of the things i love about philadelphia -- >> we need better roads. >> we need better roads. we need better airports. >> we do. people don't realize you don't need to repave the entire country. if you look at what's going on, there are bottlenecks, specific ones, and you can get it down to a list of 1,000 around the country. if you fix those bottlenecks you can free up a lot of econom
as republicans, you need the kind of cover to protect you from grover norquist. to do what we thinks needs to be done on revenues. the centrist approach has made this country prosperous for hundreds of years and that's the approach we should take. >> are you willing to pay slightly higher taxes to get a year done? >> i would gladly pay higher taxes to get a deal done. >> really. >> yeah, i would. listen, we have hundreds of thousands of trushcks on the ros all the time....
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they are finding out that nobody voted for grover norquist. it's time to start acting in the interest of the country, as lindsey graham said. you can't do it by capping deductions. as bill clinton said, the math does not add up. unless you specify the deductions that you want to get rid of or the ones that we need to reduce, they are the ones that are massively unpopular. >> governor, what i think lindsay graham was saying is that the reductions and deductions would be on the higher income earners. you wouldn't tell somebody who is in the middle class that they can no longer take their mortgage deduction. >> no, i understand that. but the math, as bill clinton says, when you do just that, it doesn't added a up. >> we have to have rates -- >> we have to have -- anyone who is really serious and has looked at it knows that it doesn't added a up. tell us the deductions that you're talking about. that was mitt romney's biggest problem. and then i think it's also important to note that we've got to do something about military spending. we spend more
they are finding out that nobody voted for grover norquist. it's time to start acting in the interest of the country, as lindsey graham said. you can't do it by capping deductions. as bill clinton said, the math does not add up. unless you specify the deductions that you want to get rid of or the ones that we need to reduce, they are the ones that are massively unpopular. >> governor, what i think lindsay graham was saying is that the reductions and deductions would be on the higher...
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however grover norquist is threatening those who do so. let's hear what he had to say. >> no pledge taker has voted for a tax increase. you've had some people discussing impure thoughts on national television. the pledge is not for life but everybody who signed the pledge, including peter king who tried to weasel out of it, shame on him as the new york sun said today, i hope his wife understands that commitments last a little longer than, than, than two years or something. >> there you had grover norquist from the americans for tax reform who has spearheaded this no tax pledge. the fact of the matter is, zoraida, to reach an agreement there's going to have to be compromise, whether that means increasing taxes on some, whether that means changing entitlement reform, both sides are going to have to come to the table to try to reach an agreement. >> mark, can you remind folks how long ago that pledge was signed? >> this goes back years and years and years for many of these lawmakers in congress. they tend to be conservative. it's a very simpl
however grover norquist is threatening those who do so. let's hear what he had to say. >> no pledge taker has voted for a tax increase. you've had some people discussing impure thoughts on national television. the pledge is not for life but everybody who signed the pledge, including peter king who tried to weasel out of it, shame on him as the new york sun said today, i hope his wife understands that commitments last a little longer than, than, than two years or something. >> there...
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this morning in a breakfast with politico, mike allen was talking to grover norquist about this and grover norquist responded saying certain republicans are having impure thoughts about the fact that they would go ahead and break that pledge. take a listen to part of that breakfast meeting. >> i sounds like republicans are less afraid of you now. are you like frosty? are you melting, losing your power before our very eyes? >> no. two things are both fictions. one is the scenario that republicans were afraid of americans for tax reform and me personally and they took the pledge because i told them to. that's colbert territory, that's harry reid, that's what they say. that's nonsense. people take the pledge. the reason why most republicans and a handful of democrats take the pledge is that they don't intend to raise taxes. >> wouldn't it be good if our leaders were not signing pledges like this and actually voted with what their stilts wanted? >> absolutely. yeah. it would be good. it's funny what an election will do. a lot of republicans are seeing the handwriting on the wall instead of the
this morning in a breakfast with politico, mike allen was talking to grover norquist about this and grover norquist responded saying certain republicans are having impure thoughts about the fact that they would go ahead and break that pledge. take a listen to part of that breakfast meeting. >> i sounds like republicans are less afraid of you now. are you like frosty? are you melting, losing your power before our very eyes? >> no. two things are both fictions. one is the scenario...
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norquist. republicans signed a pledge that they won't vote for tax increases that are needed to forge a compromise. in this issue i have to admit that i grow less confident by the day. we have heard harry reid say there has been less progress in the talks. it looked to be a benign session. we have been reading how the republicans were open to a deal that includes revenue increases. we aren't reading about how the tea party go against taxes when leadership agrees to it. i'm sure they don't record the presidential election as a referendum to anything. referendum to anything. they vote for the betrayal of their own beliefs. because the tax increases would amount to a de facto destruction of their word not to raise taxes. in other words, let's say you are a hard line democrat. you get higher taxes for the rich. the hard line democrats don't care about the stock market. they probably think that the republicans own stocks anyway. many of the hard liners want a smaller defense budget. here is the bott
norquist. republicans signed a pledge that they won't vote for tax increases that are needed to forge a compromise. in this issue i have to admit that i grow less confident by the day. we have heard harry reid say there has been less progress in the talks. it looked to be a benign session. we have been reading how the republicans were open to a deal that includes revenue increases. we aren't reading about how the tea party go against taxes when leadership agrees to it. i'm sure they don't...
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it's not the best of time for grover norquist. with republicans starting to kiss off his anti-text pledge, here's stephen colbert. >> obama's answer to taxes is to raise taxes on the wealthy because he ran on that promise and won the elections. it's like he's totally disregarding my dismisses ive finger quotes. what part of this don't you understand? president obama? republicans might let him do it, even though every republican in congress has signed the no taxes pledge, created by the president of americans for tax reform, grover norquist. the two most terrifying words a republican can hear, other than buenos dias. >> seems like republicans are having an easier time writing off norquist than appealing to latinos. >>> which former gop candidate got a nod on the cbs show "ncis: los angeles" last night? one of the detectives on last night's episode gave us a throwback to a certain candidate's tax plan. >> huh? look at all those center hits. nine, nine, nine. should change my name to herman cain. >> yeah? i think it's more like peewe
it's not the best of time for grover norquist. with republicans starting to kiss off his anti-text pledge, here's stephen colbert. >> obama's answer to taxes is to raise taxes on the wealthy because he ran on that promise and won the elections. it's like he's totally disregarding my dismisses ive finger quotes. what part of this don't you understand? president obama? republicans might let him do it, even though every republican in congress has signed the no taxes pledge, created by the...
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everybody is saying we're going to walk away from grover norquist. all he has done saying, hey, you have enough money on capitol hill. spend what you have, and stop asking us. he has been a watchdog on our money. if you're democrat or republican you should be saluting him to a degree. he warns you in the past people who walk away from their no-new taxes have paid a price. >> he just said hey. >> stephanie: a lot of people who signed that pledge lost. [ ding ding ] >> thanks, grover. >> stephanie: here is the very soothing laura ingram. >> the sky is always falling when president obama wants to cram down legislation or initiatives without real debate, and without true compromise. here's my question for all of these wobbly republicans and democrats who tell us the sky is falling. where have they been for the last two years? the american people have been waiting for two years to have common-sense action. i'm tired of obama putting a gun to the head of the american people and republicans who say oh, what are we going to do? they're all wilting and runnin
everybody is saying we're going to walk away from grover norquist. all he has done saying, hey, you have enough money on capitol hill. spend what you have, and stop asking us. he has been a watchdog on our money. if you're democrat or republican you should be saluting him to a degree. he warns you in the past people who walk away from their no-new taxes have paid a price. >> he just said hey. >> stephanie: a lot of people who signed that pledge lost. [ ding ding ] >> thanks,...
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grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform. people who are following us on twitter, just tweeted, we'll take your questions. we want to thank the bank of america for supporting these series. the forum is about issues that matter most in washington. last week, how the obama campaign won and today we will talk about very important issue for conservatives and republicans, the path forward for them and their party. we appreciate bank of america's partnership including at both of the conventions. and we are going to bring you into the conversation. you got cards. we would love to take your questions and also be getting questions as they call it on "morning joe"," the twitter machine. we would love to bring out grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform. good morning, grover. [applause] >> you don't have your bag. he is attached to his bag. >> they told me it was too streamlined up here for the bag. >> thank you very much for coming out. can republicans raise taxes and not break your pledge? >> difficult. >> it's not know
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is it grover norquist or is it john boehner or who is it? >> i think right now the republicans are putting forward a unified front in saying house speaker john bainer is the one speaking for them in negotiations. now, it is important to remember that aside from this one meeting between obama and the top congressional leaders before thanksgiving -- >> bill: right friday -- >> everything is down at the staff level. the principals aren't meeting yet. it is up to the staff to hammer out framework before anyone puts numbers on the table. >> bill: boehner as speaker isn't going to handle all of this himself. he'll delegate the responsibility to -- >> they haven't really shaped who is going to take the lead on negotiating yet. if we're going to have a working group like we did with the debt ceiling but you do have the top republicans including paul ryan from the budget committee. you'll have dave camp from ways and means and fred upton are all sitting in on the daily leadership meetings so they're all on the same page as far as the fiscal cliff goe
is it grover norquist or is it john boehner or who is it? >> i think right now the republicans are putting forward a unified front in saying house speaker john bainer is the one speaking for them in negotiations. now, it is important to remember that aside from this one meeting between obama and the top congressional leaders before thanksgiving -- >> bill: right friday -- >> everything is down at the staff level. the principals aren't meeting yet. it is up to the staff to...
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. >> grover norquist had a good run. it lasted far longer than 15 minutes but his trstringent vie make him an outliar now. it is not unlike ralph reed who steered the republican party too far right on social issues in the '90s and is hardly heard from anymore. >> is he, rick, spiking the football, maybe on the 5 yard line? is this a little too premature to be writing off the grover norquist here and the no new tax movement in the republican party? >> yes, i think it is too premature. grover norquist has become a convenient boogie man, merely because we have maybe hit a tipping point on tax increases and voters are starting to accept the idea that taxes have to go up a little bit on some people. we have got a long way to go, though. we still are going to have to start talking about tax increases on the middle class at some point. that is going to be an entirely different battle. the nmagnitude of the problem will require increases on the middle class or tax cuts that are really deep. the tax increases is going to solve th
. >> grover norquist had a good run. it lasted far longer than 15 minutes but his trstringent vie make him an outliar now. it is not unlike ralph reed who steered the republican party too far right on social issues in the '90s and is hardly heard from anymore. >> is he, rick, spiking the football, maybe on the 5 yard line? is this a little too premature to be writing off the grover norquist here and the no new tax movement in the republican party? >> yes, i think it is too...
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there's nothing you see over the next 35 days that would have you break that pledge with grover norquist? >> no, because raising taxes harms the economic growth. you get ten times the revenue by economic growth rather than punishing success. and, again, all of us are saying president obama, show us your plan for restraining the size of government, that's the main problem. again, his revenue proposal would raise $68 billion when we have over $1 trillion worth of deficit. where's the other $1 trillion in his balance plan? mr. president, show us your plan. >> sir, one thing, mitch mcconnell has said that revenue is on the table as long as entitlements would be on the table. conducting a fly-in lobbying day there in washington, d.c. this is where union leaders from 33 states are going to pressure their representatives to let the bush tax cuts expire and keep social security out of the fiscal cliff negotiations. lawmakers are being presented with this written letter in part by richard trumpka who is the president of that. accusing republicans of holding the economy hostage in that letter sayi
there's nothing you see over the next 35 days that would have you break that pledge with grover norquist? >> no, because raising taxes harms the economic growth. you get ten times the revenue by economic growth rather than punishing success. and, again, all of us are saying president obama, show us your plan for restraining the size of government, that's the main problem. again, his revenue proposal would raise $68 billion when we have over $1 trillion worth of deficit. where's the other...
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anything will be a tax cut and the reason that's important is apparently this grover norquist pledge has kept republicans consistently from being able to say we will put these -- this revenue issue on the table. it changes the dynamic of that. do i want to see it happen? no. i think we can resolve it before then. but if they insist on protecting the top 2% of participating in this challenge, that's where they're going to find themselves. >> senator, i have to ask this question because "the washington post" has fairly strongly worded editorial talking about democrats and how they're handling the question of entitlement reform which has been part of this discussion. the president has been focused more on the bush tax cuts piece. i will read an excerpt which says since his re-election mr. obama has fueled a campaign style effort to pressure republicans to give ground on taxes. that's fine, but it won't be enough. at some point, he has to prepare the american people and his own supporters most of all for the hard decisions required to put the country on a sound financial footing. that me
anything will be a tax cut and the reason that's important is apparently this grover norquist pledge has kept republicans consistently from being able to say we will put these -- this revenue issue on the table. it changes the dynamic of that. do i want to see it happen? no. i think we can resolve it before then. but if they insist on protecting the top 2% of participating in this challenge, that's where they're going to find themselves. >> senator, i have to ask this question because...
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that's grover norquist in the new york times. basically, you're saying, you're going to hold the line. it's a tough house, you're going to hold the line. okay, now, bear with me for a second. you fast forward until the end of december, there's no deal. the republicans is not caved and the president is pressing for higher tax rates on the rich. he says to the republicans, look what you're doing, you're going to push us over the cliff, you're going to push us into recession and you're going to get the blame and do you doubt for one moment that the republicans would get the blame if we go into recession and over the cliff? 'cause they would, you know, and there's another vote coming up in two years and they'd be carrying that around and they carry a recession around their neck. go. >> it is true that cbs will tell that story. but, what i've been urging the republicans to do is two things, one is, to insist that the negotiations, as we move forward, be on c-span and the reason for that we know from woodward's book and from talking to
that's grover norquist in the new york times. basically, you're saying, you're going to hold the line. it's a tough house, you're going to hold the line. okay, now, bear with me for a second. you fast forward until the end of december, there's no deal. the republicans is not caved and the president is pressing for higher tax rates on the rich. he says to the republicans, look what you're doing, you're going to push us over the cliff, you're going to push us into recession and you're going to...
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and republicans would be freed from this pledge with grover norquist. no longer would they be voting to increase taxes. we would be giving them limited opportunities to vote to cut taxes for middle income, working families and others who need it and deserve it. unfortunately, they wouldn't get the vote on restoring the bush-era rates for millionaires and billionaires for a total of dividends down to 15% or even back to the capital gains rates of clinton era or maybe back to the reagan era. we could talk about significant revenues that would not impact or hurt 98% of the people in this country. >> eliot: i think your logic is impeccable. i'm one of those saying for a long time let them expire. our hand only gets stronger as we go forwards january 1 and after. after january 15th, you can retroactively fix anything done between the expiration and the date that you pass a new bill. it's not as though these changes are permanent, and beyond correction by congress. >> in fact, the irs said they couldn't get new withholding tables for the new tax rate before m
and republicans would be freed from this pledge with grover norquist. no longer would they be voting to increase taxes. we would be giving them limited opportunities to vote to cut taxes for middle income, working families and others who need it and deserve it. unfortunately, they wouldn't get the vote on restoring the bush-era rates for millionaires and billionaires for a total of dividends down to 15% or even back to the capital gains rates of clinton era or maybe back to the reagan era. we...
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. >> that is the sound of cracks forming in grover norquist's facade. he's the guy who gets republicans to sign a pledge that they will never ever under any circumstances raise taxes. but with the fiscal cliff looming, there's a growing consensus that taxes may have to go up. norquist said those who reneged would pay a price. >> would you target some of them? >> we would certainly highlight who has kept their commitment and who hasn't. >> fortunately for grover, but unfortunately for those who want everyone to contribute their fair share there are plenty of republicans caught in the pass, plenty who can't accept that president obama won reelection >> there are some republicans who recognize they did lose and that new revenue new tax revenue will have to be part of any deficit deal. i noticed mitch mcconnell's talked about tax rates. he's going to insist that tax rates not go any higher. you've got the mathematicians trying to raise the numbers. you can exact the rate throughout a person's entire income. they're looking for ways to finagle this. republic
. >> that is the sound of cracks forming in grover norquist's facade. he's the guy who gets republicans to sign a pledge that they will never ever under any circumstances raise taxes. but with the fiscal cliff looming, there's a growing consensus that taxes may have to go up. norquist said those who reneged would pay a price. >> would you target some of them? >> we would certainly highlight who has kept their commitment and who hasn't. >> fortunately for grover, but...